Cameron Lemar Roberts
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Cameron Lemar Roberts||p233.htm#i7037|James Lemar Roberts||p233.htm#i7036|Wendy Lenee Paty||p232.htm#i7031|||||||John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|
Cole Landon Roberts
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Cole Landon Roberts||p233.htm#i7038|James Lemar Roberts||p233.htm#i7036|Wendy Lenee Paty||p232.htm#i7031|||||||John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|
Carson Lynn Roberts
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Carson Lynn Roberts||p233.htm#i7039|James Lemar Roberts||p233.htm#i7036|Wendy Lenee Paty||p232.htm#i7031|||||||John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|
Alan Johnson
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Brock Logan Price Price
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Brock Logan Price Price||p233.htm#i7042|David Price||p233.htm#i7040|Diana Gail Paty||p232.htm#i7032|||||||John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|
Cody Wade Paty
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Cody Wade Paty||p233.htm#i7044|Jason Wade Paty||p232.htm#i7033|Candice Ann Clemmer||p233.htm#i7043|John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|||||||
Connor Lee Paty
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Connor Lee Paty||p233.htm#i7045|Jason Wade Paty||p232.htm#i7033|Candice Ann Clemmer||p233.htm#i7043|John T. Paty||p232.htm#i7022|Bobby J. Bullard||p232.htm#i7029|||||||
George Longhurst
M, b. 8 May 1668
George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|John(1615) Longhurst|b. 1615|p260.htm#i7870|Elizabeth Dale||p260.htm#i7872|||||||
George Longhurst From Pauline Young:
George Longhurst (son of John Longhurst and Mary Thickenr (?)) occupation Husbandman, m. 7-Jul-1691, in Rusper, Sussex., Joane Kempsale or Kempsell, b. 0-___-1672, bap 26-Jun-1672, Rusper, Sx., (daughter of William Kempsell and Sarah Collins) d. 0-Aug-1747, buried: 20-Aug-1747, Rusper, Sx.
Children:
2. i George Longhurst b. 1691, bap 3-Oct-1691, Rusper, Sx., d. 0-Jan-1735, buried: 9-Jan-1735, Rusper, Sx. This may be the George Longhurst who died 1735. There is no record of a marriage for this man in Surrey or Sussex.
3. ii Elizabeth Longhurst bap 13-May-1694, Rusper, Sx.
+ 4. iii William b. 0-___-1697.
5. iv Samuel Longhurst bap 6-Oct-1700, Rusper, Sx.
6. v Thomas Longhurst bap 20-Jul-1703, Rusper, Sx.
+ 7. vi Thomas b. 1706.
8. vii John Longhurst bap 2-Apr-1710, Rusper, Sx., buried: 31-Dec-1710, Rusper, Sx. May be the son of either this George, or his eldest son, also George.
+ 9. viii John b. 1711. (supposedly this is the grand father of Fran's John who married Mary Wheeler.[Langstaff Jul 26 01.FTW]
From Pauline Young:
George Longhurst (son of John Longhurst and Mary ????????) occupation Husbandman, m. 7-Jul-1691, in Rusper, Sussex., Joane Kempsale or Kempsell, b. 0-___-1672, bap 26-Jun-1672, Rusper, Sx., (daughter of William Kempsell and Sarah Collins) d. 0-Aug-1747, buried: 20-Aug-1747, Rusper, Sx.
Children:
2. i George Longhurst b. 1691, bap 3-Oct-1691, Rusper, Sx., d. 0-Jan-1735, buried: 9-Jan-1735, Rusper, Sx. This may be the George Longhurst who died 1735. There is no record of a marriage for this man in Surrey or Sussex.
3. ii Elizabeth Longhurst bap 13-May-1694, Rusper, Sx.
+ 4. iii William b. 0-___-1697.
5. iv Samuel Longhurst bap 6-Oct-1700, Rusper, Sx.
6. v Thomas Longhurst bap 20-Jul-1703, Rusper, Sx.
+ 7. vi Thomas b. 1706.
8. vii John Longhurst bap 2-Apr-1710, Rusper, Sx., buried: 31-Dec-1710, Rusper, Sx. May be the son of either this George, or his eldest son, also George.
+ 9. viii John b. 1711. (supposedly this is the grand father of Fran's John who married Mary Wheeler.
George Longhurst was born on 8 May 1668, at, Surrey, , England. At Baptized; From Pauline Young, July 2001.
John LONGHURST (father John) was christened on 6 Jul 1640 in Ewhurst Surrey.
This is a tentative relationship based on a George Longhurst, son of John and Mary bapt, 8th May 1668 at Ewhurst
John married Mary .
Possibly Mary Tickner who married John Longhurst 22 May 1660 at Rudgwick Sussex
John and Mary had the following children:
George LONGHURST was born on 8 May 1668.1 He was the son of John(1640) Longhurst and Mary Thickner.
George Longhurst married Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell, daughter of William Kempsell and Sarah Collins, on 7 July 1691, at Rusper, Sussex.2
Children of George Longhurst and Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell
- George Longhurst b. 3 Oct 1692, d. Jan 1734/35
- Elizabeth Longhurst
- William Longhurst+ b. 14 Sep 1697, d. Mar 1778
- Samuel Longhurst
- Thomas Longhurst
- Thomas Longhurst+ b. 1705/6, d. 1781
- John(1710) Longhurst b. bt 2 Apr 1709 - 1710
- John(1711) Longhurst+ b. 1710/11
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell
F, b. 26 June 1672, d. August 1747
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|William Kempsall||p71.htm#i2131|Jane Dalton||p117.htm#i3578|Richard Collins||p276.htm#i8344|Joane (?)||p264.htm#i7984|
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell Another web source had April instead of June for her birth month.
Parish registers of Rusper, 1560-1902
Church of England. Parish Church of Rusper (Sussex) (Main Author)
Baptisms, 1560-1810, 1813-1877; marriages, 1560-1875; burials, 1560-1810, 1813-1892; banns 1859-1877.
FHL BRITISH Film # 919097 Item 2
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Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell was born on 26 June 1672, at Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young. She was Baptised on 26 June 1672; Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young. She was the daughter of William Kempsell and Sarah Collins.
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell married George Longhurst, son of John(1640) Longhurst and Mary Thickner, on 7 July 1691, at Rusper, Sussex.1
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell died in August 1747, at Rusper, Sussex. (could be George's death, not clear).
Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell was buried on 20 August 1747, at Rusper, Sussex..
Children of Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell and George Longhurst
- George Longhurst b. 3 Oct 1692, d. Jan 1734/35
- Elizabeth Longhurst
- William Longhurst+ b. 14 Sep 1697, d. Mar 1778
- Samuel Longhurst
- Thomas Longhurst
- Thomas Longhurst+ b. 1705/6, d. 1781
- John(1710) Longhurst b. bt 2 Apr 1709 - 1710
- John(1711) Longhurst+ b. 1710/11
Citations
- [S137] Unknown author, Parish Register Rusper, Sussex, Also on the IGI for this date, no references just patron sheets.; From Pauline Young via e_mail, April 2001.
John(1640) Longhurst
M, b. 6 July 1640
John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|John(1615) Longhurst|b. 1615|p260.htm#i7870|Elizabeth Dale||p260.htm#i7872|John (1573) Longhurst|b. 1573|p781.htm#i23575|Joane Neales||p781.htm#i23576|||||||
John(1640) Longhurst From Pauline Young, July 2001.
John LONGHURST (father John) was christened on 6 Jul 1640 in Ewhurst Surrey.
This is a tentative relationship based on a George Longhurst, son of John and Mary bapt, 8th May 1668 at Ewhurst
John married Mary .
Possibly Mary Tickner who married John Longhurst 22 May 1660 at Rudgwick Sussex
John and Mary had the following children:
George LONGHURST was born on 8 May 1668.
John Longhurst Compact Disc #11 Pin #201713 Sex: M Event(s): Christening: 16 Aug 1621 Place: Horsham,,Sussex,England
Parents: Father: John Longhurst Disc #11 Pin #201723
Mother: Anne Disc #11 Pin #201724
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Mary Disc #11 Pin #201714
Barbara CORNIA 980 Waterford Casper WY
Warren LONGHURST 3833 Sugar Beet Drive West Valley City Utah 84120
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John(1640) Longhurst was born on 6 July 1640, at, Surrey, . At actual baptizm; Family Tree has the date 1645. Again probably two separte families.
John LONGHURST (father John) was christened on 6 Jul 1640 in Ewhurst Surrey.
This is a tentative relationship based on a George Longhurst, son of John and Mary bapt, 8th May 1668 at Ewhurst
John married Mary .
Possibly Mary Tickner who married John Longhurst 22 May 1660 at Rudgwick Sussex
John and Mary had the following children:
George LONGHURST was born on 8 May 1668.1 He was the son of John(1615) Longhurst and Elizabeth Dale.
Child of John(1640) Longhurst and Mary Thickner
- George Longhurst+ b. 8 May 1668
Citations
- [S12] Unknown author, Pauline Young.
John(1710) Longhurst
M, b. between 2 April 1709 and 1710
John(1710) Longhurst|b. bt 2 Apr 1709 - 1710|p233.htm#i7050|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
John(1710) Longhurst was born between 2 April 1709 and 1710, at, Sussex, , England. At actual baptism; This John may have been the son of George the oldest son of George (now shown as Father ).
This John 1710 and John 1711 may be the same person, and Pauline is searching for the connection. If they are the same and he died there is no connection. But he could have died and they had a second child and called him John again, common enough.1 He was the son of George Longhurst and Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell.
John(1710) Longhurst was buried on 31 December 1710, at Rusper, Pauline Young.
Citations
- [S12] Unknown author, Pauline Young.
John William Vankoughnett
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John William Vankoughnett||p233.htm#i7051|Donald "Don" Kenneth Vankoughnett|b. 21 Mar 1922\nd. 15 Apr 1955|p275.htm#i8331|Vida Grace Warren||p270.htm#i8176|||||||William "Will" Benjamin Warren|b. 31 Jul 1882\nd. 18 Oct 1955|p101.htm#i3065|Sarah "Sadie" Ann Green|b. 7 Mar 1882\nd. 1 Nov 1976|p114.htm#i3493|
Children of John William Vankoughnett and Lynda Marie King
Samuel Longhurst
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Samuel Longhurst||p233.htm#i7052|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
William Longhurst
M, b. 14 September 1697, d. March 1778
William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
William Longhurst From Pauline Young:
William Longhurst (1.George1) b. 0-___-1697, bap 14-Sep-1697, Rusper, Sx., m. 3-Oct-1723, in Rusper, Sx, Sarah Chairman, b. 0-___-1696, bap 26-Apr-1696, East Horsley, Surrey, (daughter of Henry Charman or Chairman and Sarah Weller) d. 0-Sep-1785, buried: 19-Sep-1785, Rusper, Sx. William died 0-Mar-1778, buried: 8-Mar-1778, Rusper, Sussex.
Later gave
William married Sarah CHAIRMAN daughter of Henry Charman or CHAIRMAN and Sarah WELLER on 3 Oct 1723 in Rusper, Sx. Sarah was christened on 26 Apr 1696 in East Horsley Surrey. She died in Sep 1785. She was buried on 19 Sep 1785 in Rusper, Sx..
Children:
10. i William Longhurst b. 1723, bap 31-Jan-1723, Rusper, Sx.
11. ii James Longhurst b. 1726, bap 6-May-1726, Rusper, Sx.
12. iii Sarah Longhurst b. 1727, bap 3-Mar-1727, Rusper, Sx.
13. iv George Longhurst b. 1733, bap 9-Feb-1733, Rusper, Sx.
+ 14. v John b. 1735.
+ 15. vi Thomas b. before 1737.
16. vii Nan Longhurst b. 1742, bap 1-Aug-1742, Rusper, Sx.
+ 17. viii Charles b. 1742.[Langstaff Jul 26 01.FTW]
From Pauline Young:
William Longhurst (1.George1) b. 0-___-1697, bap 14-Sep-1697, Rusper, Sx., m. 3-Oct-1723, in Rusper, Sx, Sarah Chairman, b. 0-___-1696, bap 26-Apr-1696, East Horsley, Surrey, (daughter of Henry Charman or Chairman and Sarah Weller) d. 0-Sep-1785, buried: 19-Sep-1785, Rusper, Sx. William died 0-Mar-1778, buried: 8-Mar-1778, Rusper, Sussex.
Children:
10. i William Longhurst b. 1723, bap 31-Jan-1723, Rusper, Sx.
11. ii James Longhurst b. 1726, bap 6-May-1726, Rusper, Sx.
12. iii Sarah Longhurst b. 1727, bap 3-Mar-1727, Rusper, Sx.
13. iv George Longhurst b. 1733, bap 9-Feb-1733, Rusper, Sx.
+ 14. v John b. 1735.
+ 15. vi Thomas b. before 1737.
16. vii Nan Longhurst b. 1742, bap 1-Aug-1742, Rusper, Sx.
+ 17. viii Charles b. 1742.
William Longhurst was born circa 1696/97, at Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young. He was Baptised on 14 September 1697; Rusper, Pauline Young.
William Longhurst was born on 14 September 1697, at Bap. Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young. He was the son of George Longhurst and Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell.
William Longhurst married Sarah "Charman" Chairman, daughter of Henry " Chairman" Charman and Sarah Weller, on 3 October 1723, at Rusper, Sussex.1
William Longhurst died in March 1778.
William Longhurst was buried on 8 March 1778, at Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young.
Children of William Longhurst and Sarah "Charman" Chairman
- William Longhurst
- James Longhurst
- Sarah Longhurst
- George Longhurst
- John 14 Longhurst+ b. 11 May 1735, d. 1797
- Thomas Longhurst+ b. 27 Mar 1737, d. 1791
- Nan Longhurst
- Charles Longhurst+
Citations
- [S13] Unknown author, IGI / Ancestral File LDS, From Pauline Young, Apr. 2001.
Elizabeth Longhurst
F
Elizabeth Longhurst||p233.htm#i7054|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
George Longhurst
M, b. 3 October 1692, d. January 1734/35
George Longhurst|b. 3 Oct 1692\nd. Jan 1734/35|p233.htm#i7055|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
George Longhurst This may be the George Longhurst who died 1735. There is no record of a marriage for this man in Surrey or Sussex.[Langstaff Jul 26 01.FTW]
This may be the George Longhurst who died 1735. There is no record of a marriage for this man in Surrey or Sussex.
George Longhurst was born on 3 October 1692, at Bap. Rusper, Sussex (no record of a marriage)(bap. IGI). He was the son of George Longhurst and Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell.
George Longhurst died in January 1734/35, at Rusper, Sussex (actually was recorded in Rusper).
George Longhurst was buried on 9 January 1734/35, at Rusper, Sussex.
Thomas Longhurst
M
Thomas Longhurst||p233.htm#i7056|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|John(1640) Longhurst|b. 6 Jul 1640|p233.htm#i7048|Mary Thickner||p233.htm#i7049|William Kempsell||p234.htm#i7074|Sarah Collins||p234.htm#i7075|
Sarah "Charman" Chairman
F, b. 26 April 1696, d. September 1785
Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|||||||||||||
Sarah "Charman" Chairman was born circa 1695/96, at East Horsley, Surrey. She was Baptised on 26 April 1696; East Horsley, Surrey (Pauline Young).
Sarah "Charman" Chairman was born on 26 April 1696, at Bap. East Horsley, Surrey. She was the daughter of Henry " Chairman" Charman and Sarah Weller.
Sarah "Charman" Chairman married William Longhurst, son of George Longhurst and Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell, on 3 October 1723, at Rusper, Sussex.1
Sarah "Charman" Chairman died in September 1785.
Sarah "Charman" Chairman was buried on 19 September 1785, at Rusper, Sussex. Pauline Young.
Children of Sarah "Charman" Chairman and William Longhurst
- William Longhurst
- James Longhurst
- Sarah Longhurst
- George Longhurst
- John 14 Longhurst+ b. 11 May 1735, d. 1797
- Thomas Longhurst+ b. 27 Mar 1737, d. 1791
- Nan Longhurst
- Charles Longhurst+
Citations
- [S13] Unknown author, IGI / Ancestral File LDS, From Pauline Young, Apr. 2001.
Henry " Chairman" Charman
M
Child of Henry " Chairman" Charman and Sarah Weller
- Sarah "Charman" Chairman+ b. 26 Apr 1696, d. Sep 1785
Sarah Weller
F
Child of Sarah Weller and Henry " Chairman" Charman
- Sarah "Charman" Chairman+ b. 26 Apr 1696, d. Sep 1785
Friedrich Gottfried Glaser
M
Friedrich Gottfried Glaser||p233.htm#i7060|Paul Glaser||p394.htm#i11931|Anna Maria Maass|b. c 1758|p394.htm#i11932|Michael Glaser||p444.htm#i13436||||Johann Maass|b. c 1713/14\nd. 3 Apr 1774|p456.htm#i13802||||
Children of Friedrich Gottfried Glaser and Caroline Stroschein
- Johann Michael Glaser1 b. 17 Feb 1841, d. 5 Mar 1843
- Caroline Glaser2 b. c Jan 1845, d. 1 Feb 1851
- Gottfried Glaser3 b. c Mar 1849, d. 20 Jul 1849
Citations
- [S404] Evangelische Kirche Lobsens (Kr. Wirsitz), FHC Film # 245510, 1843 #26 Bonkowo 5 Mar Johann Michael son Friedrich Glaser & Caroline Stroschein age 2y 1m 14days.
- [S404] Evangelische Kirche Lobsens (Kr. Wirsitz), FHC Film # 245510.
- [S404] Evangelische Kirche Lobsens (Kr. Wirsitz), FHC Film # 245510, No page or refernence, go by date.
William Longhurst
M
William Longhurst||p233.htm#i7061|William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|
James Longhurst
M
James Longhurst||p233.htm#i7062|William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|
Sarah Longhurst
F
Sarah Longhurst||p233.htm#i7063|William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|
George Longhurst
M
George Longhurst||p233.htm#i7064|William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|
John 14 Longhurst
M, b. 11 May 1735, d. 1797
John 14 Longhurst|b. 11 May 1735\nd. 1797|p233.htm#i7065|William Longhurst|b. 14 Sep 1697\nd. Mar 1778|p233.htm#i7053|Sarah "Charman" Chairman|b. 26 Apr 1696\nd. Sep 1785|p233.htm#i7057|George Longhurst|b. 8 May 1668|p233.htm#i7046|Joane "Kempsale" Kempsell|b. 26 Jun 1672\nd. Aug 1747|p233.htm#i7047|Henry " Chairman" Charman||p233.htm#i7058|Sarah Weller||p233.htm#i7059|
John 14 Longhurst married Jane (?).
John 14 Longhurst was born in 1734/35, at Rusper, Sussex. presumably.
John 14 Longhurst was born on 11 May 1735, at Bap. Rusper, Sussex.. He was Baptised on 11 May 1735; Rusper, Sussex. He was the son of William Longhurst and Sarah "Charman" Chairman.
John 14 Longhurst died in 1797.
John 14 Longhurst was buried on 24 June 1797, at Rusper, Sussex..
Child of John 14 Longhurst and Jane (?)
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